But the problem is that struggles like these are never over. Not in our lifetime not in our children’s or their children’s. The struggles against homophobia, racism, patriarchy, poverty, etc. are not resolvable. It is kind of depressing to think that I’m not ever going to lie in the sun and relax and forget about patriarchy. Its true, though, I’m not. So we want destinations, we want final results. Of course we never accomplish the final results we want. We accomplish some other results. I’ve always thought that political actions are never effective. I mean the protests against the Vietnam war didn’t stop the Vietnam war, the military campaign stopped the Vietnam war. The Vietnam war protests served another purpose that produced something else than the successful end of the war. They were very well organized protests, they had very clear cut goals, clear cut ends, but they never achieved them. Which doesn’t mean they weren’t successful. They were successful but in doing something else. And that’s always the case, that’s always what politics are about. You never quite know what it is you’re accomplishing until afterward, and its never what you set out to achieve.